(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0-preview]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[6.5] PW[bteuber]WR[6d?]PB[Kamil]BR[6d?]RE[W+R]DT[2011-09-20]PC[IGS-PandaNet] ;B[ki] ;W[dp] ;B[ij] ;W[pd] ;B[kk] ;W[dd] ;B[ro] ;W[qf] ;B[fq] ;W[cn] ;B[fo] ;W[mq] ;B[or]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: what the hell is this?? Zdzieli [5k\]: fuseki? soui [1d?\]: you call it in german 'guter zug'] ;W[jq] ;B[mr] ;W[lr] ;B[nq] ;W[mp] ;B[cl] ;W[dr] ;B[cf]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: thanks for the enlightment soui [1d?\]: you are welcome soui [1d?\]: i can help you in the future too SpiritMoon [1k?\]: good to know, i'll get back to you] ;W[ms]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: no problem] ;B[ef]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Und jetzt mal ernsthaft. Ist das Spielbar bzw in irgendeiner art etabliert oder einfach nur irre?] ;W[fd] ;B[dn]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: er wurde für diesen Stil von Takemiya mit einem Spezialpreis auf der WM ausgezeichnet Pinguschaf [6d?\]: ich hab gegen 2x 2-5 + Tengen beinahe verloren SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Interessant :) SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Aber das Takemiya das cool findet kann ich mir richtig gut vorstellen :) soui [1d?\]: Fiszuu looks good ^o^] ;W[do] ;B[dm] ;W[ce]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: ich denke s liegt vorne hier Pinguschaf [6d?\]: n1 war grauenhaft SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Nichtsdestotrotz; die beiden Steine auf der 2. Linie versteh ich einfach nicht. Warum? "Eigentlich" passt das doch nich zur Mitte, oder?] ;B[bf]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: its good to take eyes and push the weaker groupes against the center Pinguschaf [6d?\]: so it fits perfectly Pinguschaf [6d?\]: im just not sure if it was worth spending 3 moves in the center Pinguschaf [6d?\]: pseronally i prefer just the shimari with 2 moves] ;W[gf] ;B[gg] ;W[hg] ;B[gh] ;W[ff] ;B[eg]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Well, it will prolly live, no matter what :) But a 3rd move feels kinda wasted, that's right SpiritMoon [1k?\]: but why didnt he play his 4th and 5th move not on some 3rd line? SpiritMoon [1k?\]: or even 4th line Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i just answered this before Pinguschaf [6d?\]: 2nd line is better if u want to take eyes SpiritMoon [1k?\]: mhh, yeah.] ;W[in]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: sry, somehow overread the previous :) Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i think j6 is too early] ;B[ns] ;W[nr] ;B[ko] ;W[os] ;B[ip]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: interesting exchange] ;W[km]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but i think for both, playing upper side is bigger] ;B[mo]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: starting a fight now for w at this area is not very smart SpiritMoon [1k?\]: figures :) BonnerJung [1k?\]: but now w will have to make his 2 stones alive no?] ;W[gp]C[soui [1d?\]: yea SpiritMoon [1k?\]: depends on what happens in the middle of course, but personally i like w better right now soui [1d?\]: but kamil is strong at fighting SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Don't know him to be true soui [1d?\]: so chuban is going to be interesting SpiritMoon [1k?\]: H14 is pretty big as well, no? Pinguschaf [6d?\]: no, its very unimportant Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but the side is big SpiritMoon [1k?\]: kk Pinguschaf [6d?\]: because h13 is a light stone] ;B[fp]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: if w won´t find some connection tesuji, w will have a really tough time Pinguschaf [6d?\]: another weak group here makes another b wall, which reduces the whole upper thing SpiritMoon [1k?\]: yeah, now that i think about it. If b would could and w just played H15 it would be an even trade if not even better for w Pinguschaf [6d?\]: yes, better for w SpiritMoon [1k?\]: so what's the next move? in the middle or something maybe L16ish? Pinguschaf [6d?\]: anything to help those w moves :) Pinguschaf [6d?\]: going out o7 is normal] ;W[kl]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: heh :) Pinguschaf [6d?\]: oh Pinguschaf [6d?\]: this looks like he has some aim] ;B[mm]C[SpiritMoon [1k?\]: Maybe i should pay the toilet a visit before it gets too exciting here... Pinguschaf [6d?\]: yeah, hurry] ;W[ml]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: m9 now] ;B[lk]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: looks good for black] ;W[ll] ;B[ol] ;W[mk] ;B[qh] ;W[nm]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: r12 is interesting, but i dont like it so much SpiritMoon [1k?\]: o8? Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i think something lighter is better Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but im not sure Pinguschaf [6d?\]: r12 is going for territory Pinguschaf [6d?\]: so b should stick on this Pinguschaf [6d?\]: maybe even tenuki] ;B[no] ;W[om]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: that move looks too heavy Pinguschaf [6d?\]: since w group on the lower side is super strong] ;B[pm]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: q8. w group willl be ok now] ;W[pn]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: oh w attacking] ;B[on] ;W[pl] ;B[qm]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: hard to say who is gaining here] ;W[ok]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but r12 looks definetly a bit off now BonnerJung [1k?\]: but at least w weakness is gone] ;B[ql]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: and w did not profit too much. did he?] ;W[nl]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: *b Pinguschaf [6d?\]: yeah] ;B[qk]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but still hard to tenuki Pinguschaf [6d?\]: so maybe b is fine] ;W[oo] ;B[np] ;W[nn] ;B[pp]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: this was no gain for white Pinguschaf [6d?\]: if w needs to spend another move here i favor black] ;W[pr] ;B[po]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: a bit strange Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i dont see any problem with playing q3 Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but kamil likes thick shape :)] ;W[bm] ;B[pb]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: b7 looks kyuish] ;W[qc] ;B[qb] ;W[nb]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i think r18 was a bit too much] ;B[oc]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but i can understand this idea] ;W[md]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: he wants to make some splitting attack with the w center groupe Pinguschaf [6d?\]: but b is giving away a lot of points here fj [8d\]: I think W looks better Pinguschaf [6d?\]: now maybe fj [8d\]: but much fighting ahead] ;B[nd] ;W[mc] ;B[ne] ;W[lf] ;B[ng] ;W[ph] ;B[jf] ;W[lh] ;B[ni] ;W[qg] ;B[li] ;W[jd] ;B[qi] ;W[il] ;B[rb] ;W[rc] ;B[hm] ;W[hl] ;B[iq] ;W[gm] ;B[hn] ;W[im]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i dont understand what b is doing here] ;B[id] ;W[ic] ;B[jc] ;W[ie] ;B[le] ;W[me] ;B[nf] ;W[rh] ;B[ri] ;W[sg] ;B[ec] ;W[cc] ;B[nj] ;W[hj] ;B[gk] ;W[gl] ;B[fk] ;W[gn] ;B[er] ;W[ir] ;B[cr] ;W[dq] ;B[ds] ;W[cq] ;B[br] ;W[bl] ;B[bq] ;W[bp] ;B[bo] ;W[ap]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: did b7 pay off?] ;B[bk] ;W[ck] ;B[dk] ;W[cj] ;B[bj] ;W[bi] ;B[ci] ;W[dj] ;B[bh] ;W[ek] ;B[en] ;W[dl] ;B[cm] ;W[bn] ;B[fl] ;W[hr]C[siljan [2k?\]: ok, I will do it BonnerJung [1k?\]: what? Pinguschaf [6d?\]: b caught up but still need to do something on upper side BonnerJung [1k?\]: how to use d10 aji?] ;B[jp] ;W[gq]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: does anyone know what happened to miaos game ? gisel88 [2d?\]: hes leading] ;B[gr]C[Zdzieli [5k\]: he just won 86 to 75.5 joachim [1d+\]: its now in the main room matter [3d\]: he just won by 11 points] ;W[gs] ;B[fs] ;W[fr] ;B[go] ;W[ho] ;B[gr]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: and board 4? matter [3d\]: still playing] ;W[fn]C[Zdzieli [5k\]: move 102 at the moment matter [3d\]: jogo23 vs nilatarion BonnerJung [1k?\]: so i trail jogo] ;B[eo] ;W[fr] ;B[hd] ;W[hc] ;B[gr] ;W[el] ;B[fj] ;W[fr] ;B[je] ;W[kd] ;B[gr] ;W[fm] ;B[em]C[BonnerJung [1k?\]: w is leading?] ;W[fr]C[Pinguschaf [6d?\]: i think so kairos [1d?\]: w e3 quite bad for b] ;B[gc] ;W[gb] ;B[gr] ;W[ej] ;B[di] ;W[fr] ;B[gd] ;W[fc] ;B[gr] ;W[ei] ;B[eh] ;W[fr] ;B[hb] ;W[ib] ;B[gr] ;W[fi] ;B[kq] ;W[fr] ;B[fb] ;W[ha] ;B[gr] ;W[jr] ;B[hs] ;W[kr] ;B[ed]C[Eggplant3 [5d?\]: e3?] ;W[fe] ;B[co] ;W[ak] ;B[ai] ;W[ao] ;B[al] ;W[am]TB[ad][ae][af][ag][ah][ai][aj][ak][as][bg][bh][bi][bs][cr][dr][ds][eq][er][gn][gr][hm][hn][ih][ij][ik][il][im][in][io][jh][ji][jj][jk][jl][jm][jn][jo][kf][kg][kh][ki][kj][kk][kl][km][ld][le][lh][li][lj][lk][ma][mb][mc][md][mh][mj][mk][na][nb][nc][ns][oa][ob][os][pa][pb][pr][qa][qb][qc][ra][sa][sb][sc]TW[cn][co][da][dl][dm][ea][eb][ec][ed][ee][ef][ek][em][fa][fb][fc][fe][ff][fh][gg][ha][hb][he][hf][mo][nn][no][np][om][oo][pg][pn][po][qf][ql][qm][qn][rg][ri][rj][rk][rl][rn][sg][sk][sn][sp][sq][sr][ss]C[Schwarz gab auf.] )