(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[6.5] PW[RoseDuke]WR[8d]PB[Egmump]BR[4d?]RE[B+0.5]DT[2015-01-13]PC[IGS-PandaNet] ;B[pd] ;W[dd] ;B[pq] ;W[cq] ;B[fq] ;W[co] ;B[jp] ;W[qn] ;B[po] ;W[rp] ;B[ql] ;W[pn] ;B[qo] ;W[ro] ;B[qq] ;W[nn] ;B[rm] ;W[rn] ;B[pl] ;W[nl] ;B[mp] ;W[oj] ;B[qi] ;W[qf] ;B[pf] ;W[pg] ;B[qg] ;W[pe] ;B[of] ;W[qd] ;B[oe] ;W[qe] ;B[qc] ;W[rg] ;B[qh] ;W[pc] ;B[od] ;W[qb] ;B[rc] ;W[rb] ;B[rf] ;W[rd] ;B[oc] ;W[pb] ;B[oh] ;W[ln] ;B[mo] ;W[mn] ;B[jn] ;W[hq] ;B[gp] ;W[jq] ;B[kp] ;W[hp] ;B[ho] ;W[io] ;B[ip] ;W[fr] ;B[er] ;W[gr] ;B[eq] ;W[kq] ;B[lq] ;W[lr] ;B[mr] ;W[ir] ;B[hn] ;W[kr] ;B[cf] ;W[fc] ;B[bd] ;W[cc] ;B[ci] ;W[ck] ;B[om] ;W[on] ;B[ll] ;W[ol] ;B[hc] ;W[mi] ;B[bc] ;W[hd] ;B[id] ;W[gd] ;B[ic] ;W[ie] ;B[je] ;W[jf] ;B[if] ;W[he] ;B[ke] ;W[kf] ;B[ig] ;W[jh] ;B[gg] ;W[le] ;B[kc] ;W[df] ;B[dg] ;W[ef] ;B[eg] ;W[fg] ;B[fh] ;W[ff] ;B[gi] ;W[lf] ;B[db] ;W[eb] ;B[cb] ;W[dc] ;B[gb] ;W[ce] ;B[be] ;W[cg] ;B[bf] ;W[gf] ;B[ih] ;W[ji] ;B[lj] ;W[mj]C[daal [8k\]: w seems content just to make solid defensive moves] ;B[mk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: I'd expect W to be more aggressive... I'm not very good at this but can't see how W is ahead... sente [2d?\]: black is strong sente [2d?\]: but black is struggling on time tech55 [4d\]: w couldnt] ;W[kk]C[Firebird [5k?\]: yes W playing slow and steady ever 3.3 point Firebird [5k?\]: interesting that] ;B[nk]C[sente [2d?\]: and i think black is overplaying a bit sente [2d?\]: i could be wrong] ;W[ok]C[tech55 [4d\]: get smaller n keep sente Firebird [5k?\]: interesting yearsago [17k?\]: hear that christ, keep you yearsago [17k?\]: chris I mean :p] ;B[kl]C[sente [2d?\]: :)] ;W[oi]C[tech55 [4d\]: small margin but more often yearsago [17k?\]: what youmean with 3.3 point? tech55 [4d\]: c7 b win SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah I think Andrew is doing well here.] ;B[jk]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Might well win this.] ;W[ng] ;B[og] ;W[lc] ;B[lb] ;W[mc]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: I don't feel qualified to comment on a pro level player's game but he has two groups with very few points, which isn't usually good in games my level.] ;B[mb]C[Firebird [5k?\]: Is Egmump = Andrew?] ;W[nb]C[yearsago [17k?\]: yep yearsago [17k?\]: not our andrew yearsago [17k?\]: he's losing Firebird [5k?\]: ah Firebird [5k?\]: 3.3 point = C3 move 2 yearsago [17k?\]: ah yearsago [17k?\]: okay] ;B[ob] ;W[kb]C[tech55 [4d\]: 3-3 is ok] ;B[jb]C[tech55 [4d\]: nothing wrong with c3 Firebird [5k?\]: yes -- i was admiring how Slow and solid W has been Firebird [5k?\]: although maybe too so?] ;W[en]C[tech55 [4d\]: c3 is solid but never slow Firebird [5k?\]: ah] ;B[kd] ;W[ii] ;B[li] ;W[lh] ;B[kh]C[sente [2d?\]: white g5... tech55 [4d\]: good tech55 [4d\]: no good sente [2d?\]: course white has some issues in the meantime] ;W[mg]C[sente [2d?\]: g5 doesn't work sorry] ;B[nh] ;W[mh] ;B[jg] ;W[kg] ;B[ki] ;W[ma] ;B[ka] ;W[nc] ;B[pm]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: B10 seems pretty huge. tech55 [4d\]: ? SimbaRules [2k+\]: As an endgame point. tech55 [4d\]: it is] ;W[nm] ;B[oa] ;W[pi] ;B[ph] ;W[rk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: owww... yearsago [17k?\]: I like that move yearsago [17k?\]: and the other Andrew has time issues... tech55 [4d\]: big damage n sente?] ;B[qj]C[yearsago [17k?\]: if W doesn't win on time...] ;W[rl] ;B[qk] ;W[qm]C[yearsago [17k?\]: 14 stones, in 2 and half minutes... that's some blitz baduk SimbaRules [2k+\]: Andrew always plays like this.] ;B[fl]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: You should see him at real life tournaments, he almost hops around in his seat with about 40 stones in his hand to play in 20 seconds lol.] ;W[eh] ;B[dh]C[yearsago [17k?\]: haha] ;W[hg]C[Firebird [5k?\]: lol] ;B[hh] ;W[gh]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Kind of a shame if he loses from time pressure, he was doing super well.] ;B[hi] ;W[fi]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but black still looks ahead to me... of course I might be wrong] ;B[gk] ;W[bj] ;B[bi]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah B10 so huge, black's sente. SimbaRules [2k+\]: White getting that is so painful. SimbaRules [2k+\]: It's much closer now, white D2 and probably ahead. tech55 [4d\]: b may win 2.5?] ;W[rr] ;B[rq] ;W[sq] ;B[dl] ;W[cm] ;B[qr] ;W[dr] ;B[dq] ;W[cr] ;B[rj] ;W[ld] ;B[rh]C[tech55 [4d\]: is rose duke from japan?] ;W[ai]C[hogweed [1d\]: no sente [2d?\]: south africa sente [2d?\]: born in China] ;B[ah] ;W[aj] ;B[dj]C[tech55 [4d\]: rose duke in tygem is from japan pro iaznab [2d?\]: I doubt it] ;W[bh]C[tech55 [4d\]: japan pro at tygem using ROSE DUKE ID] ;B[ag]C[kibarosman [1d\]: e10 kibarosman [1d\]: w behind, so he needs to pick a fight somewhere] ;W[fj]C[tech55 [4d\]: but too ;late] ;B[gj] ;W[dk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: UK might win this... ben made mistake in byoyomi...] ;B[fn]C[yearsago [17k?\]: :( sente [2d?\]: balances UK's mistake on board 4 SugO [4d+\]: who is playing? Achim [3d\]: W plays very fast, B slow .... tech55 [4d\]: fast never means good n slow never means bad] ;W[fo] ;B[gn]C[Achim [3d\]: it tells that W taje this as an easy game, and B as a serious one :) tech55 [4d\]: i dont agree hogweed [1d\]: i do tech55 [4d\]: just playing style] ;W[em]C[hogweed [1d\]: I suppose white has little interest in playing] ;B[el]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: I don't either, that's a ridiculous comment. SimbaRules [2k+\]: To suggest Victor wouldn't take his country's national games seriously is insulting.] ;W[di] ;B[ei]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but it can still swing around for white...] ;W[ej] ;B[fh]C[tech55 [4d\]: just A persoanl playing style SimbaRules [2k+\]: Indeed, it's still close. tech55 [4d\]: now to the final Achim [3d\]: not if W takes this seriously ...] ;W[cj]C[yearsago [17k?\]: ko fight for life there? yearsago [17k?\]: or pretty much for the game... tech55 [4d\]: all alive yearsago [17k?\]: oh okay gor [1d\]: i think b is ahead by few pts sente [2d?\]: quite a nifty ko yearsago [17k?\]: m just throwing things out there sente [2d?\]: yes, se has black ahead by 5 or so yearsago [17k?\]: but white has closed the gap sente [2d?\]: but se may not be as good as white at counting tech55 [4d\]: bcz b played safty first to win sente [2d?\]: this is quite a big ko yearsago [17k?\]: I'm thinking white might take this... tech55 [4d\]: but this ko] ;B[bg]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but I'm notoriously bad at assessing ko threaths] ;W[di] ;B[ch] ;W[eh]C[yearsago [17k?\]: okay no ko then...] ;B[es]C[tech55 [4d\]: now what? SimbaRules [2k+\]: This is extremely close, might well be a half point game.] ;W[dp]C[yearsago [17k?\]: if white plays a good endgame... yearsago [17k?\]: I'm hopefull] ;B[gq]C[jemna [2d?\]: The reverse komi is incorrect? SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah, jemna. yearsago [17k?\]: yeah... SimbaRules [2k+\]: Adjusted for proper komi it's basically even. yearsago [17k?\]: they were suppose to adjust it but didn't SimbaRules [2k+\]: B+0.5 says my score estimator.] ;W[fs] ;B[iq] ;W[hr]C[sente [2d?\]: its a half pointer at this stage... :)] ;B[rs] ;W[sr]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: O19 looking big...] ;B[pa]C[SemDD [10k?\]: mow it says B+5.5 ...] ;W[qa]C[gor [1d\]: t15 yearsago [17k?\]: SE on IGS take the reverse komi into account, but that's wrong gor [1d\]: and next n1] ;B[cl] ;W[bl] ;B[dm] ;W[dn] ;B[ds] ;W[cs] ;B[ls] ;W[ks] ;B[ms]C[tech55 [4d\]: rever se komi is ok] ;W[kn]C[gor [1d\]: :/ n1 sente] ;B[km]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Come on Andrew, finish it off... yeeee [5d\]: if its .5 point, you can declare white won now, I don't think it is that close] ;W[bb]C[sente [2d?\]: no black is ahead by more than that] ;B[ba] ;W[ab]C[sente [2d?\]: i donn't think that SE was ccorrect] ;B[ac]C[gor [1d\]: i think w ahead now tech55 [4d\]: ok sente [2d?\]: really? SimbaRules [2k+\]: I think B ahead. hogweed [1d\]: that top connection looks pointy SimbaRules [2k+\]: ~4 points.] ;W[da] ;B[aa]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: O19 looking really huge.] ;W[nq]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Oh wow.] ;B[mq]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Fireworks time :) . tech55 [4d\]: tthat's gote 3points jemna [2d?\]: can't connect that one hogweed [1d\]: lulz move? yeeee [5d\]: one thing to notice is it is regular komi, not -5.5 So it's closer than it apprears yearsago [17k?\]: how does that work? gor [1d\]: wow] ;W[np] ;B[no]C[gor [1d\]: w can take q5 stones i think] ;W[oo]C[yearsago [17k?\]: oh now I see Ben1981 [3d?\]: wow] ;B[op] ;W[pp]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Will black ko for it all... sente [2d?\]: wow yearsago [17k?\]: or go for it all SimbaRules [2k+\]: Or just P3 and take sente. yearsago [17k?\]: :p gor [1d\]: well this put w ahead for sure gor [1d\]: s SimbaRules [2k+\]: No it doesn't. hogweed [1d\]: it does SimbaRules [2k+\]: If black connects P3 and takes sente he's still slightly ahead. mumps [3d\]: Only a 2 point loss, but in gore Ben1981 [3d?\]: w didnt get much here surely? SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yep. gor [1d\]: thats not 2 tech55 [4d\]: 4 mumps [3d\]: 4 less the 2 tech55 [4d\]: gote 4points SimbaRules [2k+\]: Black can take sente and play O19 or perhaps F19, something like that. SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah, what Jon said. SimbaRules [2k+\]: Since two points for O4/O3. mumps [3d\]: 4 less the 2 of the additional stone he added SimbaRules [2k+\]: Andrew is probably working out the rest of the endgame atm. SimbaRules [2k+\]: Then will play fast again with like 2 mins left :) . tech55 [4d\]: almost same size] ;B[oq] ;W[lo]C[mumps [3d\]: I hope so. But maybe he's calculating whether he has enough Ko threats to win it] ;B[jo]C[Ben1981 [3d?\]: cool move by w] ;W[lp] ;B[nr]C[sente [2d?\]: o19 r4 miai i guess gor [1d\]: r6 largest gote on the board gor [1d\]: r4*] ;W[fm] ;B[gm] ;W[qp] ;B[na]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Think white has it now, sad times.] ;W[sf] ;B[sg] ;W[se] ;B[sk] ;W[sm]C[kibarosman [1d\]: b lost it in yose yearsago [17k?\]: yay kibarosman [1d\]: he was well ahead going into it yearsago [17k?\]: ^_^ kibarosman [1d\]: but still very close kibarosman [1d\]: n8 is a point SimbaRules [2k+\]: F19 larger. kibarosman [1d\]: c16 kibarosman [1d\]: bunch of single point, gote moves] ;B[fb] ;W[gc] ;B[hf] ;W[hb] ;B[ha] ;W[fa] ;B[ib] ;W[gg]C[sente [2d?\]: i see black ahead by 0.5 or 1.5] ;B[cd] ;W[de] ;B[ml] ;W[nf] ;B[ne] ;W[me]C[jemna [2d?\]: without reverse komi?] ;B[nd] ;W[sc] ;B[go]C[yearsago [17k?\]: reverse komi not there when I check game info...] ;W[ep] ;B[fp] ;W[eo] ;B[fk] ;W[re] ;B[rg] ;W[sl] ;B[sj] ;W[ea] ;B[ca] ;W[ec] ;B[ga]C[kibarosman [1d\]: one thing for sure, b is no 4d] ;W[sp] ;B[qs] ;W[ko]C[sente [2d?\]: b+1.5 sente [2d?\]: hmm, thats a point right? iaznab [2d?\]: b owes a move sente [2d?\]: so b+0.5] ;B[tt]C[kibarosman [1d\]: what is b doing? SugO [4d+\]: yes b+.5 tech55 [4d\]: hhhhh yearsago [17k?\]: passed? hogweed [1d\]: epic passing fail kibarosman [1d\]: he does have to fill in a move] ;W[lm]C[yearsago [17k?\]: does he though? iaznab [2d?\]: w first needs to fill 2 of the outside liberties SugO [4d+\]: yes kibarosman [1d\]: yes sente [2d?\]: ya sente [2d?\]: doesn't help tho sente [2d?\]: still wins kibarosman [1d\]: outside liberties don't cost w any points tech55 [4d\]: japanese rule hogweed [1d\]: every stone is a point hogweed [1d\]: igs rules sente [2d?\]: what? tech55 [4d\]: not under chinese rule] ;B[tt]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but is japanese rule] ;W[nj]C[jemna [2d?\]: black loses a point here? kibarosman [1d\]: last call hogweed [1d\]: no igs rules jemna [2d?\]: amazing kibarosman [1d\]: w n7, b better fill in mumps [3d\]: Come on, you're going to have to fill it sometime... yearsago [17k?\]: I'm not familiar with IGS rules] ;B[tt]C[tech55 [4d\]: chinese rules counts live stone on board but no japanese rule Achim [3d\]: B can't be forced to fill in *LoL* kibarosman [1d\]: for b, it's a matter of pride now :)] ;W[mm]C[wicket [2d\]: he might think W thinks it's chinese rules SimbaRules [2k+\]: pleeeeeeeeease don't pass again kibarosman [1d\]: he's saying, "no, i read it correctly, i don't have to fill in" liquid [1k\]: i hope black wont pass liquid [1k\]: would be a shame jemna [2d?\]: reading mistake? Fargo [2d?\]: isnt this point nessecary for him? iaznab [2d?\]: easy read though Fargo [2d?\]: oh se say 1/5 Fargo [2d?\]: so 0.5 if he full iaznab [2d?\]: fairly sure he will take 5 minutes and then fill in Ben1981 [3d?\]: hmm couldnt w have played atari there? iaznab [2d?\]: didn't see it working] ;B[jm]C[kibarosman [1d\]: come on already, we have other games to watch tech55 [4d\]: must SimbaRules [2k+\]: thank god for that] ;W[ek]C[yearsago [17k?\]: yep fills in megabyte [8k+\]: hah hogweed [1d\]: maybe he just wanted to use up the time] ;B[tt] ;W[tt]C[mumps [3d\]: The crowd cheers!] ;B[tt]TB[ab][ad][ae][af][bb][bh][cg][gl][hb][hj][hk][hl][hm][ia][ii][ij][ik][il][im][in][io][ja][jc][jd][jh][ji][jj][jl][kb][kj][kk][la][lk][ma][np][nq][ns][or][os][pg][pr][ps][ri][sh][si]TW[ak][al][am][an][ao][ap][aq][ar][as][bk][bm][bn][bo][bp][bq][br][bs][cn][cp][dj][do][ed][ee][ei][fd][fe][fh][ge][gs][hs][is][jr][js][lg][mf][po][qc][qo][ra][rc][rm][sa][sb][sd][sn][so]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but W still lost by 0.5 sente [2d?\]: not sure about that sente [2d?\]: may have miscounted jemna [2d?\]: I think W wins kibarosman [1d\]: b .5 SugO [4d+\]: is komi 7.5? or 6.5 W 62.5 B 63.0] )