(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0]ST[1]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[RoseDuke]WR[8d]PB[Egmump]BR[4d?]RE[B+0.5]DT[2015-01-13]PC[IGS-PandaNet]

;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[cq]
;B[fq]
;W[co]
;B[jp]
;W[qn]
;B[po]
;W[rp]
;B[ql]
;W[pn]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[qq]
;W[nn]
;B[rm]
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;B[pl]
;W[nl]
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;W[oj]
;B[qi]
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;B[pf]
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;B[of]
;W[qd]
;B[oe]
;W[qe]
;B[qc]
;W[rg]
;B[qh]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[qb]
;B[rc]
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;B[rf]
;W[rd]
;B[oc]
;W[pb]
;B[oh]
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;B[jn]
;W[hq]
;B[gp]
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;B[kp]
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;B[ho]
;W[io]
;B[ip]
;W[fr]
;B[er]
;W[gr]
;B[eq]
;W[kq]
;B[lq]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]
;W[ir]
;B[hn]
;W[kr]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]
;B[bd]
;W[cc]
;B[ci]
;W[ck]
;B[om]
;W[on]
;B[ll]
;W[ol]
;B[hc]
;W[mi]
;B[bc]
;W[hd]
;B[id]
;W[gd]
;B[ic]
;W[ie]
;B[je]
;W[jf]
;B[if]
;W[he]
;B[ke]
;W[kf]
;B[ig]
;W[jh]
;B[gg]
;W[le]
;B[kc]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[ef]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]
;B[fh]
;W[ff]
;B[gi]
;W[lf]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[cb]
;W[dc]
;B[gb]
;W[ce]
;B[be]
;W[cg]
;B[bf]
;W[gf]
;B[ih]
;W[ji]
;B[lj]
;W[mj]C[daal [8k\]: w seems content just to make solid defensive moves]
;B[mk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: I'd expect W to be more aggressive... I'm not very good at this but can't see how W is ahead...
sente [2d?\]: black is strong
sente [2d?\]: but black  is struggling on time
tech55 [4d\]: w couldnt]
;W[kk]C[Firebird [5k?\]: yes W playing slow and steady ever 3.3 point
Firebird [5k?\]: interesting that]
;B[nk]C[sente [2d?\]: and i think black is overplaying a bit
sente [2d?\]: i could be wrong]
;W[ok]C[tech55 [4d\]: get smaller n keep sente
Firebird [5k?\]: interesting
yearsago [17k?\]: hear that christ, keep you
yearsago [17k?\]: chris I mean :p]
;B[kl]C[sente [2d?\]: :)]
;W[oi]C[tech55 [4d\]: small margin but more often
yearsago [17k?\]: what youmean with 3.3 point?
tech55 [4d\]: c7 b win
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah I think Andrew is doing well here.]
;B[jk]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Might well win this.]
;W[ng]
;B[og]
;W[lc]
;B[lb]
;W[mc]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: I don't feel qualified to comment on a pro level player's game but he has two groups with very few points, which isn't usually good in games my level.]
;B[mb]C[Firebird [5k?\]: Is Egmump = Andrew?]
;W[nb]C[yearsago [17k?\]: yep
yearsago [17k?\]: not our andrew
yearsago [17k?\]: he's losing
Firebird [5k?\]: ah
Firebird [5k?\]: 3.3 point = C3 move 2
yearsago [17k?\]: ah
yearsago [17k?\]: okay]
;B[ob]
;W[kb]C[tech55 [4d\]: 3-3 is ok]
;B[jb]C[tech55 [4d\]: nothing wrong with c3
Firebird [5k?\]: yes -- i was admiring how Slow and solid W has been
Firebird [5k?\]: although maybe too so?]
;W[en]C[tech55 [4d\]: c3 is solid but never slow
Firebird [5k?\]: ah]
;B[kd]
;W[ii]
;B[li]
;W[lh]
;B[kh]C[sente [2d?\]: white g5...
tech55 [4d\]: good
tech55 [4d\]: no good
sente [2d?\]: course white has some issues in the meantime]
;W[mg]C[sente [2d?\]: g5 doesn't work sorry]
;B[nh]
;W[mh]
;B[jg]
;W[kg]
;B[ki]
;W[ma]
;B[ka]
;W[nc]
;B[pm]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: B10 seems pretty huge.
tech55 [4d\]: ?
SimbaRules [2k+\]: As an endgame point.
tech55 [4d\]: it is]
;W[nm]
;B[oa]
;W[pi]
;B[ph]
;W[rk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: owww...
yearsago [17k?\]: I like that move
yearsago [17k?\]: and the other Andrew has time issues...
tech55 [4d\]: big damage n sente?]
;B[qj]C[yearsago [17k?\]: if W doesn't win on time...]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[qm]C[yearsago [17k?\]: 14 stones, in 2 and half minutes... that's some blitz baduk
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Andrew always plays like this.]
;B[fl]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: You should see him at real life tournaments, he almost hops around in his seat with about 40 stones in his hand to play in 20 seconds lol.]
;W[eh]
;B[dh]C[yearsago [17k?\]: haha]
;W[hg]C[Firebird [5k?\]: lol]
;B[hh]
;W[gh]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Kind of a shame if he loses from time pressure, he was doing super well.]
;B[hi]
;W[fi]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but black still looks ahead to me... of course I might be wrong]
;B[gk]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah B10 so huge, black's sente.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: White getting that is so painful.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: It's much closer now, white D2 and probably ahead.
tech55 [4d\]: b may win 2.5?]
;W[rr]
;B[rq]
;W[sq]
;B[dl]
;W[cm]
;B[qr]
;W[dr]
;B[dq]
;W[cr]
;B[rj]
;W[ld]
;B[rh]C[tech55 [4d\]: is rose duke from japan?]
;W[ai]C[hogweed [1d\]: no
sente [2d?\]: south africa
sente [2d?\]: born in China]
;B[ah]
;W[aj]
;B[dj]C[tech55 [4d\]: rose duke in tygem is from japan pro
iaznab [2d?\]: I doubt it]
;W[bh]C[tech55 [4d\]: japan pro at tygem using ROSE DUKE ID]
;B[ag]C[kibarosman [1d\]: e10
kibarosman [1d\]: w behind, so he needs to pick a fight somewhere]
;W[fj]C[tech55 [4d\]: but too ;late]
;B[gj]
;W[dk]C[yearsago [17k?\]: UK might win this... ben made mistake in byoyomi...]
;B[fn]C[yearsago [17k?\]: :(
sente [2d?\]: balances UK's mistake on board 4
SugO [4d+\]: who is playing?
Achim [3d\]: W plays very fast, B slow ....
tech55 [4d\]: fast never means good n slow never means bad]
;W[fo]
;B[gn]C[Achim [3d\]: it tells that W taje this as an easy game, and B as a serious one :)
tech55 [4d\]: i dont agree
hogweed [1d\]: i do
tech55 [4d\]: just playing style]
;W[em]C[hogweed [1d\]: I suppose white has little interest in playing]
;B[el]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: I don't either, that's a ridiculous comment.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: To suggest Victor wouldn't take his country's national games seriously is insulting.]
;W[di]
;B[ei]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but it can still swing around for white...]
;W[ej]
;B[fh]C[tech55 [4d\]: just A persoanl playing style
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Indeed, it's still close.
tech55 [4d\]: now to the final
Achim [3d\]: not if W takes this seriously ...]
;W[cj]C[yearsago [17k?\]: ko fight for life there?
yearsago [17k?\]: or pretty much for the game...
tech55 [4d\]: all alive
yearsago [17k?\]: oh okay
gor [1d\]: i think b is ahead by few pts
sente [2d?\]: quite a nifty ko
yearsago [17k?\]: m just throwing things out there
sente [2d?\]: yes, se has black ahead by 5 or so
yearsago [17k?\]: but white has closed the gap
sente [2d?\]: but se may not be as good as white at counting
tech55 [4d\]: bcz b played safty first to win
sente [2d?\]: this is quite a big ko
yearsago [17k?\]: I'm thinking white might take this...
tech55 [4d\]: but this ko]
;B[bg]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but I'm notoriously bad at assessing ko threaths]
;W[di]
;B[ch]
;W[eh]C[yearsago [17k?\]: okay no ko then...]
;B[es]C[tech55 [4d\]: now what?
SimbaRules [2k+\]: This is extremely close, might well be a half point game.]
;W[dp]C[yearsago [17k?\]: if white plays a good endgame...
yearsago [17k?\]: I'm hopefull]
;B[gq]C[jemna [2d?\]: The reverse komi is incorrect?
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah, jemna.
yearsago [17k?\]: yeah...
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Adjusted for proper komi it's basically even.
yearsago [17k?\]: they were suppose to adjust it but didn't
SimbaRules [2k+\]: B+0.5 says my score estimator.]
;W[fs]
;B[iq]
;W[hr]C[sente [2d?\]: its a half pointer at this stage... :)]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: O19 looking big...]
;B[pa]C[SemDD [10k?\]: mow it says B+5.5 ...]
;W[qa]C[gor [1d\]: t15
yearsago [17k?\]: SE on IGS take the reverse komi into account, but that's wrong
gor [1d\]: and next n1]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[dm]
;W[dn]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;B[ls]
;W[ks]
;B[ms]C[tech55 [4d\]: rever se komi is ok]
;W[kn]C[gor [1d\]: :/ n1 sente]
;B[km]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Come on Andrew, finish it off...
yeeee [5d\]: if its .5 point, you can declare white won now, I don't think it is that close]
;W[bb]C[sente [2d?\]: no black is ahead by more than that]
;B[ba]
;W[ab]C[sente [2d?\]: i donn't think that SE was ccorrect]
;B[ac]C[gor [1d\]: i think w ahead now
tech55 [4d\]: ok
sente [2d?\]: really?
SimbaRules [2k+\]: I think B ahead.
hogweed [1d\]: that top connection looks pointy
SimbaRules [2k+\]: ~4 points.]
;W[da]
;B[aa]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: O19 looking really huge.]
;W[nq]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Oh wow.]
;B[mq]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Fireworks time :) .
tech55 [4d\]: tthat's gote 3points
jemna [2d?\]: can't connect that one
hogweed [1d\]: lulz move?
yeeee [5d\]: one thing to notice is it is regular komi, not -5.5  So it's closer than it apprears
yearsago [17k?\]: how does that work?
gor [1d\]: wow]
;W[np]
;B[no]C[gor [1d\]: w can take q5 stones i think]
;W[oo]C[yearsago [17k?\]: oh now I see
Ben1981 [3d?\]: wow]
;B[op]
;W[pp]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Will black ko for it all...
sente [2d?\]: wow
yearsago [17k?\]: or go for it all
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Or just P3 and take sente.
yearsago [17k?\]: :p
gor [1d\]: well this put w ahead for sure
gor [1d\]: s
SimbaRules [2k+\]: No it doesn't.
hogweed [1d\]: it does
SimbaRules [2k+\]: If black connects P3 and takes sente he's still slightly ahead.
mumps [3d\]: Only a 2 point loss, but in gore
Ben1981 [3d?\]: w didnt get much here surely?
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yep.
gor [1d\]: thats not 2
tech55 [4d\]: 4
mumps [3d\]: 4 less the 2
tech55 [4d\]: gote 4points
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Black can take sente and play O19 or perhaps F19, something like that.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Yeah, what Jon said.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Since two points for O4/O3.
mumps [3d\]: 4 less the 2 of the additional stone he added
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Andrew is probably working out the rest of the endgame atm.
SimbaRules [2k+\]: Then will play fast again with like 2 mins left :) .
tech55 [4d\]: almost same size]
;B[oq]
;W[lo]C[mumps [3d\]: I hope so. But maybe he's calculating whether he has enough Ko threats to win it]
;B[jo]C[Ben1981 [3d?\]: cool move by w]
;W[lp]
;B[nr]C[sente [2d?\]: o19 r4 miai i guess
gor [1d\]: r6 largest gote on the board
gor [1d\]: r4*]
;W[fm]
;B[gm]
;W[qp]
;B[na]C[SimbaRules [2k+\]: Think white has it now, sad times.]
;W[sf]
;B[sg]
;W[se]
;B[sk]
;W[sm]C[kibarosman [1d\]: b lost it in yose
yearsago [17k?\]: yay
kibarosman [1d\]: he was well ahead going into it
yearsago [17k?\]: ^_^
kibarosman [1d\]: but still very close
kibarosman [1d\]: n8 is a point
SimbaRules [2k+\]: F19 larger.
kibarosman [1d\]: c16
kibarosman [1d\]: bunch of single point, gote moves]
;B[fb]
;W[gc]
;B[hf]
;W[hb]
;B[ha]
;W[fa]
;B[ib]
;W[gg]C[sente [2d?\]: i see black ahead by 0.5 or 1.5]
;B[cd]
;W[de]
;B[ml]
;W[nf]
;B[ne]
;W[me]C[jemna [2d?\]: without reverse komi?]
;B[nd]
;W[sc]
;B[go]C[yearsago [17k?\]: reverse komi not there when I check game info...]
;W[ep]
;B[fp]
;W[eo]
;B[fk]
;W[re]
;B[rg]
;W[sl]
;B[sj]
;W[ea]
;B[ca]
;W[ec]
;B[ga]C[kibarosman [1d\]: one thing for sure, b is no 4d]
;W[sp]
;B[qs]
;W[ko]C[sente [2d?\]: b+1.5
sente [2d?\]: hmm, thats a point right?
iaznab [2d?\]: b owes a move
sente [2d?\]: so b+0.5]
;B[tt]C[kibarosman [1d\]: what is b doing?
SugO [4d+\]: yes b+.5
tech55 [4d\]: hhhhh
yearsago [17k?\]: passed?
hogweed [1d\]: epic passing fail
kibarosman [1d\]: he does have to fill in a move]
;W[lm]C[yearsago [17k?\]: does he though?
iaznab [2d?\]: w first needs to fill 2 of the outside liberties
SugO [4d+\]: yes
kibarosman [1d\]: yes
sente [2d?\]: ya
sente [2d?\]: doesn't help tho
sente [2d?\]: still wins
kibarosman [1d\]: outside liberties don't cost w any points
tech55 [4d\]: japanese rule
hogweed [1d\]: every stone is a point
hogweed [1d\]: igs rules
sente [2d?\]: what?
tech55 [4d\]: not under chinese rule]
;B[tt]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but is japanese rule]
;W[nj]C[jemna [2d?\]: black loses a point here?
kibarosman [1d\]: last call
hogweed [1d\]: no igs rules
jemna [2d?\]: amazing
kibarosman [1d\]: w n7, b better fill in
mumps [3d\]: Come on, you're going to have to fill it sometime...
yearsago [17k?\]: I'm not familiar with IGS rules]
;B[tt]C[tech55 [4d\]: chinese rules counts live stone on board but no japanese rule
Achim [3d\]: B can't be forced to fill in *LoL*
kibarosman [1d\]: for b, it's a matter of pride now :)]
;W[mm]C[wicket [2d\]: he might think W thinks it's chinese rules
SimbaRules [2k+\]: pleeeeeeeeease don't pass again
kibarosman [1d\]: he's saying, "no, i read it correctly, i don't have to fill in"
liquid [1k\]: i hope black wont pass
liquid [1k\]: would be a shame
jemna [2d?\]: reading mistake?
Fargo [2d?\]: isnt this point nessecary for him?
iaznab [2d?\]: easy read though
Fargo [2d?\]: oh se say 1/5
Fargo [2d?\]: so 0.5 if he full
iaznab [2d?\]: fairly sure he will take 5 minutes and then fill in
Ben1981 [3d?\]: hmm couldnt w have played atari there?
iaznab [2d?\]: didn't see it working]
;B[jm]C[kibarosman [1d\]: come on already, we have other games to watch
tech55 [4d\]: must
SimbaRules [2k+\]: thank god for that]
;W[ek]C[yearsago [17k?\]: yep fills in
megabyte [8k+\]: hah
hogweed [1d\]: maybe he just wanted to use up the time]
;B[tt]
;W[tt]C[mumps [3d\]: The crowd cheers!]
;B[tt]TB[ab][ad][ae][af][bb][bh][cg][gl][hb][hj][hk][hl][hm][ia][ii][ij][ik][il][im][in][io][ja][jc][jd][jh][ji][jj][jl][kb][kj][kk][la][lk][ma][np][nq][ns][or][os][pg][pr][ps][ri][sh][si]TW[ak][al][am][an][ao][ap][aq][ar][as][bk][bm][bn][bo][bp][bq][br][bs][cn][cp][dj][do][ed][ee][ei][fd][fe][fh][ge][gs][hs][is][jr][js][lg][mf][po][qc][qo][ra][rc][rm][sa][sb][sd][sn][so]C[yearsago [17k?\]: but W still lost by 0.5
sente [2d?\]: not sure about that
sente [2d?\]: may have miscounted
jemna [2d?\]: I think W wins
kibarosman [1d\]: b .5
SugO [4d+\]: is komi 7.5? or 6.5
W 62.5 B 63.0]
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