(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0-preview]ST[1]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[Pei]WR[6d?]PB[Tienb]BR[6d?]RE[W+0.5]DT[2010-11-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet]

;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qq]
;W[dc]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[cd]
;B[df]
;W[fc]
;B[dj]
;W[qf]
;B[pj]
;W[nd]
;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[of]
;W[qe]
;B[od]
;W[rc]
;B[og]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[jd]
;B[fq]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[dq]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[ep]
;B[gr]
;W[cq]
;B[dr]
;W[pp]
;B[pq]
;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[np]
;B[ro]
;W[nq]
;B[kq]
;W[lp]
;B[kp]
;W[ln]
;B[jn]
;W[ll]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]
;W[cm]
;B[cp]
;W[bm]
;B[bp]
;W[go]
;B[hp]
;W[gl]
;B[dl]
;W[ck]
;B[dk]
;W[cj]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]
;B[bh]
;W[di]
;B[ch]
;W[ei]
;B[fk]
;W[gi]
;B[gk]
;W[hl]
;B[hk]
;W[il]
;B[ik]
;W[jl]
;B[fh]
;W[fi]
;B[hh]
;W[gh]
;B[gg]
;W[fg]
;B[hg]
;W[ff]
;B[eh]
;W[bj]
;B[dh]
;W[jk]
;B[jj]
;W[nc]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]
;B[gd]
;W[gc]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]
;B[id]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[ic]
;B[jc]
;W[hb]
;B[kd]
;W[je]
;B[ke]
;W[if]
;B[kf]
;W[jb]
;B[lb]
;W[kg]
;B[lg]
;W[jg]
;B[ii]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[nb]
;B[qb]
;W[oa]
;B[rd]
;W[qd]
;B[qc]
;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[kc]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[rb]
;W[pi]
;B[qj]
;W[oi]
;B[nk]
;W[mi]
;B[nj]
;W[ni]
;B[lj]C[Disruption [13k?\]: yup, that seems correct
finity [8k?\]: I bet on M18 stones
kibarosman [1k\]: don't think s11 enough to live, so w may resign here]
;W[lh]
;B[md]C[kibarosman [1k\]: wasn't L12 enough?]
;W[me]
;B[ne]
;W[mf]
;B[mg]
;W[mc]
;B[nf]
;W[md]
;B[kh]
;W[ki]C[kibarosman [1k\]: oh, now i see
Uberdude [2k?\]: if l12 w has eye space with n13
kibarosman [1k\]: b didn't want to allow w n13 in sente
Uberdude [2k?\]: considering m12
soblue [6d?\]: white has disturbingly few liberties if he starts cutting
soblue [6d?\]: err, black
baldur [5d\]: m12 gives away awful damezumari for black
baldur [5d\]: m11 i mean
kibarosman [1k\]: does that mean "shape" or "aji" ....?
Rectumraid [2d?\]: r19 first?
kibarosman [1k\]: damezumari?
Uberdude [2k?\]: liberty shortage
baldur [5d\]: yeah, in the corner
Uberdude [2k?\]: oh t17, yes
Uberdude [2k?\]: nasty
Uberdude [2k?\]: but also w liberties low]
;B[kj]
;W[jh]C[kibarosman [1k\]: i see, baldur, w n12 requires a response from b corner]
;B[km]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: p7 looks shapey
KingAji [1k?\]: W R6]
;W[lm]C[kibarosman [1k\]: would be a pity if everyone lived at the end]
;B[hn]
;W[in]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: maybe b just counts and q6
Uberdude [2k?\]: let w connect on dame
Uberdude [2k?\]: and get s12
noneddi [1d?\]: would be too simple]
;B[im]C[KingAji [1k?\]: funny fight on neutral points]
;W[io]C[Disruption [13k?\]: there's more than that
Kettu [4d?\]: neutral points... or cutting points
Disruption [13k?\]: black is aiming to kill
Disruption [13k?\]: white isn't in the best of positions in that zone]
;B[ho]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: it's interesting for black
KingAji [1k?\]: but B doesnt need to,
KingAji [1k?\]: more fun this way
XFC2008 [3d?\]: w e6]
;W[fm]
;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[dm]
;W[dn]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: b e6? am i missing some tesuji]
;B[gm]C[Disruption [13k?\]: it doesn't seem to work]
;W[fl]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: ah it is false
Disruption [13k?\]: F8 was the only option actually, I'm curious about black reaction now
XFC2008 [3d?\]: f8 can play at h7 no trouble]
;B[lq]C[Disruption [13k?\]: nope
Disruption [13k?\]: H7 gets nasty after G6
XFC2008 [3d?\]: G6, w simply F6
XFC2008 [3d?\]: too many eyes for w, connection is the last choice]
;W[qn]C[flashback [7d\]: seems like b wanna lose
Disruption [13k?\]: too many eyes can get to not enough eyes without caution
Disruption [13k?\]: I still think that Q6 seemed more than enough for him a while ago
flashback [7d\]: he made w connected and alive at gote]
;B[nn]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: h6 may get sente, since b need K5]
;W[on]C[flashback [7d\]: just q6 was far enough for b
Disruption [13k?\]: I think the same
Disruption [13k?\]: I don't understand the latest plays from black
Disruption [13k?\]: maybe there's something we aren't yet seeing?
siljan [2k?\]: Ausnahem in der 1. Runde
Disruption [13k?\]: that seems unlikely though
siljan [2k?\]: Ab Rund 2 gibt's gelbe Karten
flashback [7d\]: there isnt
Sandmann [5d?\]: wofür?
Sandmann [5d?\]: wofuer
Disruption [13k?\]: It just seems to me that black threw the game away playing on the J6 zone instead of securing in the Q6 zone
siljan [2k?\]: Fuer zu spaete bMannschaftsmeldung
Disruption [13k?\]: so huge that side
XFC2008 [3d?\]: Indeed, g8 play at k6 superb!
Sandmann [5d?\]: hm aso
XFC2008 [3d?\]: f8 play at k5
siljan [2k?\]: Mussen wir offlin besprechen
siljan [2k?\]: 1,5 Stundne s?paeter ist verloren]
;B[nm]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: f8 seems wasted a move]
;W[mo]C[Disruption [13k?\]: actually he needs another move to kill J5, they are not dead at all
Disruption [13k?\]: K5 seems more than enough to get out of there
Disruption [13k?\]: so I don't see the point of that gote party black had
Uberdude [2k?\]: e6 at q6 looked much better
Disruption [13k?\]: Q6 was the biggest play for a while
Disruption [13k?\]: J6 zone leaded to nothing
Disruption [13k?\]: and Black didn't need to risk that much
Uberdude [2k?\]: making w f7 first was fine
XFC2008 [3d?\]: clear e6 misread]
;B[jm]C[Sandmann [5d?\]: tien put a lot of effort in attacking]
;W[lk]C[Uberdude [2k?\]: r8 kiai
Sandmann [5d?\]: but seems the effort got waisted]
;B[rn]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: w f8 now seems lost a few points]
;W[ql]C[Disruption [13k?\]: at least black killed now the J5 stones
Disruption [13k?\]: that's something
Sandmann [5d?\]: sacrificial stones cannot be killed]
;B[pl]C[Disruption [13k?\]: well, that sacrificial stones were alive and kicking a while ago]
;W[pm]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: seems b ahead, w f8 missed chance to catch back.
XFC2008 [3d?\]: catch up]
;B[rm]
;W[pk]C[Sandmann [5d?\]: b seems to be in a bit of trouble there though]
;B[ol]
;W[qm]C[Sandmann [5d?\]: or not:S]
;B[rl]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: i donot see s8 bad]
;W[qk]
;B[oj]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: bad
XFC2008 [3d?\]: should s9]
;W[rk]C[Observing game 133 (Pei vs. Tienb) :
          fj 8d    flashback 7d         Gabi 6d+
    seailles 6d       pharao 6d     ERittner 6d 
        onla 6d     cgerlach 6d        Janne 6d 
    gocaesar 5d+   FreddaSWE 5d     Sandmann 5d 
        BAM0 5d       lmatoh 5d         Buru 5d 
         Yuu 4d+       Palau 4d    Pinchilei 4d 
        JRDK 4d        Kettu 4d      SWEKlas 4d 
       pempu 4d     setarkos 4d          rhi 3d 
        ejlo 3d      XFC2008 3d     youngman 3d 
        MaLa 3d       matter 3d         boot 2d+
     Pyoveli 2d        fatih 2d       ardent 2d 
  betterlife 2d     Darchyek 2d   AncientRib 2d 
      Juippi 2d   Rectumraid 2d    Mokkimies 2d 
     joachim 1d+    colocolo 1d+     kauimae 1d 
     Kachnak 1d      atnight 1d     sunnychw 1d 
    violetta 1d         Tsoy 1d        Inffi 1d 
     noneddi 1d    madhatter 1k+      DUX9er 1k+
   kogokhan2 1k     cgtengen 1k         agou 1k 
     yukiboh 1k          BAP 1k      KingAji 1k 
      rausku 1k   kibarosman 1k      Hikarob 2k+
      abdegh 2k+        brox 2k+       tapir 2k 
    Muradenu 2k       siljan 2k       Roozen 2k 
    Uberdude 2k       Blazej 3k       Silwyr 3k 
    floating 3k         Fede 3k       keiler 3k 
    PinHuang 4k+    hegethus 4k+       y3507 4k 
         adp 4k      dracman 4k     Carioca5 5k+
      Jarzki 6k+     MLanger 6k     Podiceps 6k 
     sfunk74 6k        Decco 7k+        ekku 7k 
     TOWNBOY 8k       finity 8k        gui54 9k+
     fish826 9k      Polpot 12k      Hensch 12k 
 Disruption 13k     yasu529 16k+  LotusCloud BC 
     ansalol BC      enaskil BC 
Found 118 observers (including 23 guests).]
;B[rj]
;W[sk]C[madhatter [1k+\]: no s9 would gibve up qr10 because b has to connect then at n10]
;B[rh]C[Disruption [13k?\]: S12 and after that and white protect N10 maybe
Disruption [13k?\]: here we have S12
XFC2008 [3d?\]: this is also very good!
XFC2008 [3d?\]: for b
Disruption [13k?\]: yep, it was predictable, white T9 wasn't really good]
;W[rg]C[Disruption [13k?\]: there's no way black is going to let that group die]
;B[mj]C[Disruption [13k?\]: there we have N10 as expected]
;W[qp]
;B[rp]
;W[or]
;B[pr]C[Sandmann [5d?\]: t9 and so on were great kothreats]
;W[nr]C[Disruption [13k?\]: yup
Disruption [13k?\]: wasted now]
;B[ps]C[Sandmann [5d?\]: if w wanted to play o2 at n2
XFC2008 [3d?\]: L1?]
;W[bf]C[Disruption [13k?\]: it's painful to look at the right side anyways
Disruption [13k?\]: white didn't get points there, but imagine if black actually had done the Q6 move
Disruption [13k?\]: that's a ton of points lost there]
;B[fe]
;W[gf]C[tapir [2k?\]: How do you count this game? Isn't it very close or white slightly ahead?
Disruption [13k?\]: white has its points mostly concentrated in the top zone, upper and upper left corner
Disruption [13k?\]: black has points in many zones, thus being a bit more difficult to count
finity [8k?\]: based on CGoban counting, black is very slightly ahead
finity [8k?\]: or was, until P2 and B14
Disruption [13k?\]: but the lower left corner, lower center, and lower right side is nice enough
tapir [2k?\]: I am not asking for automated counts but yours.
finity [8k?\]: so it's all about yose and who has more sente
Disruption [13k?\]: and upper right corner gives a few points, even if it's not a huge quantity]
;B[do]
;W[eo]C[finity [8k?\]: tapir: I directed SE in unclear areas, so it's semi-automated]
;B[no]C[finity [8k?\]: (i.e. played a few moves in areas where SE doesn't give accurate result)
XFC2008 [3d?\]: What is b doinf?]
;W[co]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: ding, giveng up?
Disruption [13k?\]: dunno]
;B[ko]
;W[mp]
;B[bg]
;W[be]
;B[ed]C[Disruption [13k?\]: I'm still looking at black M19]
;W[bq]
;B[br]
;W[an]C[Disruption [13k?\]: that 4 liberties may be enough for a ko/seki]
;B[cr]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: M19, w play simply at L18
XFC2008 [3d?\]: b should start with R19
Disruption [13k?\]: yup]
;W[pe]
;B[oe]C[akuntay [2d?\]: who is who ?]
;W[se]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: b is b, and w is w]
;B[sc]C[Disruption [13k?\]: lol
Disruption [13k?\]: can't be explained better
finity [8k?\]: Tienb is Antti Törmänen
finity [8k?\]: Pei is Pei
akuntay [2d?\]: i mean whic country
XFC2008 [3d?\]: good is bad, and bad is good, Amen!
siljan [2k?\]: Grmany vs. Finland]
;W[ks]C[akuntay [2d?\]: who is winning?]
;B[js]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: w]
;W[ls]
;B[kr]
;W[mr]
;B[gn]
;W[fn]
;B[li]
;W[mh]
;B[ji]
;W[kh]
;B[qa]C[noneddi [1d?\]: very even i think]
;W[pa]
;B[ec]
;W[eb]
;B[dd]
;W[cc]
;B[fd]
;W[ef]C[Disruption [13k?\]: K2 still there
Disruption [13k?\]: starting to get nice as sente points finish
noneddi [1d?\]: it doesnt  work
Disruption [13k?\]: oh, yes
Disruption [13k?\]: i saw one more space
akuntay [2d?\]: this move is so big
akuntay [2d?\]: w is winning i think
noneddi [1d?\]: i guess w i ahead by 4-6 or so
BAM0 [5d?\]: B+]
;B[dg]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: seems b is not bad. may win 1p min]
;W[ao]
;B[aq]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: niw this 1p is giving back
finity [8k?\]: seems like W+1.5 or such]
;W[sf]
;B[sd]
;W[jf]
;B[ng]
;W[sl]C[Disruption [13k?\]: B R12?
XFC2008 [3d?\]: what is D13 for?]
;B[lr]
;W[ms]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: 1p gote?
Disruption [13k?\]: yup]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[el]
;W[sm]
;B[sn]C[joachim [1d+\]: without d13 whitw can connect at a12 a13
akuntay [2d?\]: seki shape]
;W[ai]C[adp [4k\]: b still has to take f11 group off the board?
akuntay [2d?\]: yes]
;B[af]C[rausku [1k?\]: yup]
;W[ae]
;B[ag]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]
;W[os]
;B[hm]
;W[oo]
;B[qo]
;W[om]
;B[po]
;W[ml]
;B[nl]
;W[ge]
;B[hi]
;W[eg]
;B[ej]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: w win 0.5?]
;W[ah]
;B[fj]
;W[ee]C[Rectumraid [2d?\]: it seems so]
;B[gj]C[Rectumraid [2d?\]: damn :(
finity [8k?\]: T10 1pt ko?
finity [8k?\]: for black?
fatih [2d?\]: yep t10 point
XFC2008 [3d?\]: then b win?
dracman [4k\]: what about the other games (fin vs ger) ?
rausku [1k?\]: 2-1 for germany
XFC2008 [3d?\]: no, w play t10 win .5p]
;W[qg]
;B[sh]
;W[sj]
;B[ap]
;W[am]
;B[lo]
;W[mn]
;B[kn]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: D13 lost 1p there]
;W[mm]
;B[kl]
;W[kk]
;B[hf]
;W[ig]
;B[ih]
;W[nh]
;B[qh]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: chinese way of counting?]
;W[si]
;B[ok]
;W[pn]
;B[mq]C[dracman [4k\]: seems so :)
XFC2008 [3d?\]: chinese way, b win, Japnnese way, b win?]
;W[mk]
;B[sg]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: Japnnese way,  w win
XFC2008 [3d?\]: Chinese way, b win!]
;W[tt]C[Podiceps [6k?\]: it should be japanese according to the rules]
;B[tt]
;W[tt]TB[ar][as][bq][bs][cg][cq][cs][di][ds][ei][ek][es][fi][fr][fs][gh][gi][gq][gs][hj][hq][hr][hs][ij][in][io][ip][iq][ir][is][jo][jp][jq][jr][qr][qs][ra][rc][rq][rr][rs][sa][sb][so][sp][sq][sr][ss]TW[aa][ab][ac][ad][aj][ak][al][ba][bb][bc][bd][bk][ca][cb][da][db][do][ea][en][fa][fb][ga][gb][ha][hc][ia][ib][id][ie][ja][jc][ka][kb][la][lb][lc][ma][mb][na][ns][ob]C[XFC2008 [3d?\]: Chinese way more scientific
dracman [4k\]: ok, good night guys
W 58.5 B 58.0]
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