(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0-preview]ST[1]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[manocska]WR[6d?]PB[vanzeijst]BR[6d?]RE[B+T]DT[2010-11-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet]

;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]
;B[co]
;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[dm]
;B[en]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: exciting...
vaneeden [6d?\]: :)]
;W[ep]
;B[em]
;W[dl]
;B[dn]
;W[el]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]
;W[gl]
;B[fm]
;W[fj]
;B[hl]C[JanHora [6d?\]: this is supposed to be a joseki,?
vaneeden [6d?\]: could become one :)
nidza92 [5d?\]: it is
vaneeden [6d?\]: locally, they play 'natural' moves, so..
FieldMouse [4d?\]: joseki database says it is joseki
vaneeden [6d?\]: mmm. boring ^^
nidza92 [5d?\]: who is white
JanHora [6d?\]: ok then, I haven't try
JanHora [6d?\]: white is Ondrej Silt]
;W[iq]C[nidza92 [5d?\]: thanks]
;B[gj]C[flashback [7d\]: couldnt w just g7?
flashback [7d\]: oh]
;W[fi]C[baldur [5d\]: if you don't know the ladder...
flashback [7d\]: XD
JanHora [6d?\]: what about g10 instead oof j3?
flashback [7d\]: seems reasonable :)
flashback [7d\]: then o4
vaneeden [6d?\]: the forcing moves for both sides here are fine points
vaneeden [6d?\]: hard to say which is better
flashback [7d\]: now if o4 n3 o5, leaves w with L3 hole which i dont like at all
flashback [7d\]: but lee se dol used this 3 space extension, so it should be ok
flashback [7d\]: :)]
;B[cf]C[flashback [7d\]: c12 only move ! :))
baldur [5d\]: and reply to C12, B12!]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[ch]C[nidza92 [5d?\]: nice]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[de]
;B[ef]
;W[dc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: one more joseki
JanHora [6d?\]: g11 or some shape?]
;B[gf]C[JanHora [6d?\]: maybe prompting with d12 was also possible]
;W[fg]
;B[ff]
;W[gc]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]C[JanHora [6d?\]: this is not going well ..]
;B[hh]
;W[hg]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: looks like black is okay
vaneeden [6d?\]: well, w is trying to play everywhere at the same time
vaneeden [6d?\]: risky
vaneeden [6d?\]: what is he thinking about? exploiting E12?]
;B[gg]
;W[fh]
;B[ih]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: loks like w is aiming at the g7 aji
vaneeden [6d?\]: evidently]
;W[ig]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: still, b  G13 is the only move
vaneeden [6d?\]: no matter what
flashback [7d\]: ho, isnt that dangerous for w?
flashback [7d\]: left side
FieldMouse [4d?\]: left side will always make two eyes :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: looks alive to me
JanHora [6d?\]: I am a bit worried about left as well - pretty dangerous there]
;B[cj]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: lets see now :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: well, b does need to do something
vaneeden [6d?\]: otherwise too easy for w
vaneeden [6d?\]: but B12 still a move for w, if needs be]
;W[dj]C[JanHora [6d?\]: I like this exchange for white
flashback [7d\]: question is if there will be time or use
flashback [7d\]: but c11 d12 seems alright for w
vaneeden [6d?\]: indeed]
;B[ck]C[flashback [7d\]: i dont see anything for b after b8 ...
FieldMouse [4d?\]: b8 looks perfectly enough
baldur [5d\]: is this a plan or plain rubbish
JanHora [6d?\]: white better carefull - black d12 could be dangerous
flashback [7d\]: d12 - c11
flashback [7d\]: nothing special seems
flashback [7d\]: any idea for b after w b8?
FieldMouse [4d?\]: b8 - d12 - c11 - d11 - b11 should be okay
FieldMouse [4d?\]: for w
vaneeden [6d?\]: not me
flashback [7d\]: d9 instead of b11 seems more stylish for w i think
flashback [7d\]: in the variation]
;W[ci]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: apparently, ondrej saw something
flashback [7d\]: mano saw imaginar or real danger? :)
Kachnak [1d?\]: none expected that...
flashback [7d\]: i bet on imaginar
flashback [7d\]: :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: you imagine imaginary ^_^
JanHora [6d?\]: I bet on real one, anyway, it is a huge compromise
flashback [7d\]: bleh, this is terrible compare to b8 if he could
Nijawara [3d\]: perhaps he wants to weaken f14 in the process
baldur [5d\]: a success for black]
;B[ie]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: but most certainly not decisive
Kachnak [1d?\]: do you guys think they preplay variations this time whe they can? .:¨)
flashback [7d\]: sure
FieldMouse [4d?\]: with the b7 possibility black is certainly happier than if the two stones were unconditionally dead :)
baldur [5d\]: in their heads, yes
flashback [7d\]: why? its faster in head
flashback [7d\]: :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: balance of power in the center much more important now]
;W[jf]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: this shape not easy for b
flashback [7d\]: well underconection c9 by b7 isnt in sente
flashback [7d\]: my eyes still there :)
FieldMouse [4d?\]: k15 only move?
flashback [7d\]: should be
flashback [7d\]: but b would like to k12 so much
FieldMouse [4d?\]: w would like k15 supermuch too :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: h well, upper left corner just some stones]
;B[je]
;W[jh]
;B[ji]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: ah, THAT's what he was thinking about
vaneeden [6d?\]: but, is al that trouble really necessary?
vaneeden [6d?\]: just J10 looks fine to me
flashback [7d\]: if w L11 then b j10
flashback [7d\]: if b playes j10 before, then w can extned after k11 later and not hane
vaneeden [6d?\]: i dont like that. this enables w L15 + hane
flashback [7d\]: i think thats the idea
vaneeden [6d?\]: it weakens b upper group
flashback [7d\]: and if b j10 directly whites not able?
flashback [7d\]: i think this make faster presure on centre stones so that helps to b top group
vaneeden [6d?\]: well, he may ^^
flashback [7d\]: more than direct j10]
;W[kh]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: come on, play faster, i have to go to school in twenty minutes... :)]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]
;B[cl]
;W[cm]
;B[bn]
;W[dk]
;B[bk]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: still, the only way for b to make ense of K11 is jumping at M15 next
flashback [7d\]: sente for w
flashback [7d\]: ..
vaneeden [6d?\]: as a crude way of taking sente
flashback [7d\]: double hane at top]
;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[ke]
;B[kd]
;W[ld]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: promising for w]
;B[hd]C[Kachnak [1d?\]: wow
Kachnak [1d?\]: undo?
flashback [7d\]: b7 was premature, propably b thought its sente
HARUKI [BC\]: HI!
flashback [7d\]: h17 or h18?]
;W[hc]C[flashback [7d\]: yea
flashback [7d\]: :)]
;B[ic]
;W[kc]C[JanHora [6d?\]: what's white group status?
HARUKI [BC\]: what?]
;B[jd]C[flashback [7d\]: alive i think
flashback [7d\]: how u kill?]
;W[lc]C[flashback [7d\]: ho
flashback [7d\]: dirty connection :)
vaneeden [6d?\]: hat else?
vaneeden [6d?\]: what
flashback [7d\]: m15?
vaneeden [6d?\]: b in dire straits
flashback [7d\]: now b j18 and then m15 - n15 cut?
vaneeden [6d?\]: he can cut, but capture outside stones? i doubt it
HARUKI [BC\]: ½Ô¤µ¤Ï¥¢¥á¥?E¤Ç¤¹¤«£¿
flashback [7d\]: i think b can cut of centre stones first and then live by k17
flashback [7d\]: nono, just press top, enclose then live, and then c centres tones will be weak
flashback [7d\]: *enclose top right
HARUKI [BC\]: hi!where are you from?
flashback [7d\]: czech republic and netherlands
JanHora [6d?\]: what after d12
flashback [7d\]: but if w finish with sente L11 can solve the problem fast so ...]
;B[jc]C[flashback [7d\]: can be fine
flashback [7d\]: d12 d11]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[ee]C[flashback [7d\]: hehe]
;B[le]
;W[kf]
;B[me]C[HARUKI [BC\]: Ë½¤ÏÖÐ¹úÈË¤Ç¤¢¤ê¤Þ¤¹!]
;W[nc]C[flashback [7d\]: L11]
;B[nd]C[flashback [7d\]: ok :)
flashback [7d\]: propably wrong push
JanHora [6d?\]: tough fight, what is the byoyomi?
vaneeden [6d?\]: 10m 25
flashback [7d\]: anyway this is exactly what i dont like that much
flashback [7d\]: get cut like this in 2
vaneeden [6d?\]: ah! w E15. looks dangerous
flashback [7d\]: so many worries, wouldnt be better to be connected at m15?
vaneeden [6d?\]: wb has H18 and L18 now
flashback [7d\]: long way to secure whites centre now
flashback [7d\]: yes, thats it]
;W[oc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: E15 is the culprit, i'd say]
;B[pc]
;W[od]
;B[oe]
;W[pb]
;B[qb]
;W[oa]C[flashback [7d\]: hm
flashback [7d\]: b not gonna connect directly i think ..
flashback [7d\]: nut if n18 w can o18?
flashback [7d\]: *but]
;B[pf]C[flashback [7d\]: seems so
vaneeden [6d?\]: now, b L11 puts a lot of pressure on w]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]C[flashback [7d\]: but how is b top status?
vaneeden [6d?\]: b first, alive. w first dead
vaneeden [6d?\]: :)
flashback [7d\]: heh
vaneeden [6d?\]: b has some 10 liberties
vaneeden [6d?\]: or a little more]
;W[ki]C[flashback [7d\]: i meant, is c13 the move for reserve eye?]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]
;B[jk]
;W[kk]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: b center shape looks funny]
;B[kl]
;W[ll]
;B[km]C[flashback [7d\]: hm]
;W[qh]
;B[mb]
;W[nb]
;B[kb]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: living in sente
vaneeden [6d?\]: or is he]
;W[qc]C[flashback [7d\]: if i were w, i play k18 at least at sente ..]
;B[qd]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: no, w can M19]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[md]
;B[lb]
;W[ne]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: arf]
;B[nf]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: this looks unhealthy for w
flashback [7d\]: man ..., that sucks
JanHora [6d?\]: he should m18 instead of cutting and ko]
;W[mf]
;B[nd]C[flashback [7d\]: m18 , n17?
vaneeden [6d?\]: now, if w wins this ko, even L11 etc lose some of their value]
;W[rd]C[flashback [7d\]: w coudlnt m18, right?]
;B[mc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: yep]
;W[sb]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: w vant R14
vaneeden [6d?\]: cant]
;B[re]
;W[qa]C[flashback [7d\]: b could even s19 ...
JanHora [6d?\]: he could - going for the left group]
;B[np]C[JanHora [6d?\]: anyway, how is it on points now?
vaneeden [6d?\]: this is a terrible loss for
flashback [7d\]: bad for w
vaneeden [6d?\]: with little compensation]
;W[mq]
;B[no]
;W[kp]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: and they only thing w needed, was for b to live in gote...]
;B[mk]C[flashback [7d\]: yes
flashback [7d\]: r12 losing move]
;W[ni]C[flashback [7d\]: r10
Observing game 696 (manocska vs. vanzeijst) :
      Cornel 9d      pogacsa 8d    flashback 7d 
      Veedee 6d+    vaneeden 6d      JanHora 6d 
      baldur 5d   potentilla 4d+    krabicka 4d 
      breeze 4d      Werfeus 4d    Hidoshito 4d 
    Nijawara 3d         MaLa 3d       matter 3d 
        ejlo 3d      Koffein 2d   betterlife 2d 
  SlowThinkr 2d      joachim 1d+     Kachnak 1d 
      GoShun 1k+         BAP 1k         Head 1k 
    chihiro3 2k+    Muradenu 2k       Roozen 2k 
     koushun 2k      soujiko 3k+       Blaf3 3k 
        mh39 4k+    iiglesis 4k         Fede 4k 
         yen 5k+   sunao1811 5k    Gotcha360 6k 
  MagicMagor 7k+  Adeimantos 7k         baca 8k 
     Berodan 8k        Milos 8k       zurco 10k 
       Pade 12k      Maethy 17k       HARUKI BC 
Found 48 observers (including 3 guests).]
;B[pi]
;W[nk]
;B[mj]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: eh, w didn't lose yet]
;W[nj]
;B[ml]C[flashback [7d\]: yes, not yet
vaneeden [6d?\]: but b can attack at his leisure
flashback [7d\]: w has no potential
flashback [7d\]: really hard yose]
;W[ng]C[flashback [7d\]: i think b must make some serious mistake to lose]
;B[ph]
;W[pk]
;B[qi]
;W[om]
;B[mm]C[Weiß verliert durch Zeitüberschreitung.]
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