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GM[1]EV[Internet Go Server game: DenisK vs mathmo]
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GN[DenisK-mathmo(B) IGS]RE[B+6.5]
PW[DenisK]WR[5d?]NW[33]
PB[mathmo]BR[5d ]NB[33]
PC[IGS:  igs.joyjoy.net 6969]DT[2017-11-15]
SZ[19]TM[3600]KM[6.500000]LT[]
RR[Normal]
C[
 DenisK 5d?: 145 Have a nice game
 mathmo 5d : 145 have a nice game
 mathmo 5d : 145 board 1
]
;B[pd]BL[3574]
;W[dd]WL[3595]
;B[pp]BL[3550]
;W[dq]WL[3592]
;B[co]BL[3532]
;W[ck]WL[3588]
;B[ep]BL[3517]
;W[eq]WL[3582]
;B[fp]BL[3517]
;W[fq]WL[3580]
;B[gp]BL[3516]
;W[hq]WL[3576]
;B[ci]BL[3516]
;W[ek]WL[3550]
;B[cf]BL[3514]
;W[ce]WL[3523]
;B[df]BL[3513]
;W[fd]WL[3522]
;B[ei]BL[3509]
;W[gk]WL[3520]
;B[hc]BL[3498]
;W[eb]WL[3503]
;B[fl]BL[3397]
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;B[dl]BL[3338]
;W[dk]WL[3463]
;B[gi]BL[3337]
;W[ik]WL[3381]
;B[qf]BL[2983]
;W[hp]WL[3333]
;B[ho]BL[2791]
;W[io]WL[3327]
;B[hn]BL[2607]
;W[in]WL[3264]
;B[hm]BL[2571]
;W[im]WL[3230]
;B[hl]BL[2563]
;W[hk]WL[3220]
;B[cm]BL[2104]
;W[il]WL[3166]
;B[nq]BL[2092]
;W[rp]WL[3116]
;B[qp]BL[2067]
;W[ro]WL[3108]
;B[rq]BL[2066]
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;B[qj]BL[2041]
;W[ob]WL[3033]
;B[pc]BL[1791]
;W[lc]WL[3017]
;B[jc]BL[1758]
;W[le]WL[2998]C[
 Uberdude 3d : bottom left hilarious
 Uberdude 3d : I know AlphaGo likes territory, but surely can't be good for B
 Uberdude 3d : I don't see any huge black territory elsewhere that I would expect from all the tenukis
]
;B[ee]BL[1259]
;W[fe]WL[2912]
;B[ed]BL[1227]
;W[ec]WL[2909]
;B[ff]BL[1217]
;W[he]WL[2900]
;B[gf]BL[1206]
;W[hd]WL[2875]
;B[je]BL[1198]
;W[jf]WL[2835]
;B[lb]BL[1101]
;W[mb]WL[2829]
;B[kb]BL[1096]
;W[mc]WL[2761]
;B[id]BL[1050]
;W[ie]WL[2718]
;B[ke]BL[1008]
;W[kf]WL[2699]
;B[ib]BL[962]
;W[qb]WL[2586]
;B[oj]BL[920]
;W[ol]WL[2559]
;B[pb]BL[911]
;W[pa]WL[2553]
;B[qc]BL[906]
;W[lq]WL[2514]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: that's one hell of a wall
]
;B[lf]BL[856]
;W[me]WL[2485]
;B[lg]BL[854]
;W[rb]WL[2465]
;B[rc]BL[852]C[
 Uberdude 3d : yeah, iyama cut would have j8 push and cut
 Uberdude 3d : even if it means the group inside dies
]
;W[sb]WL[2436]
;B[nd]BL[849]C[
 Uberdude 3d : which i'm not sure it does
]
;W[nc]WL[2340]C[
 Uberdude 3d : looks hard to kill or engineer a double attack with that wall
 SimbaRules 2k+: mmm, m3 is a bit of a sad looking extension from such thickness
 Uberdude 3d : but pressure on b so p8 hard to attack
 Uberdude 3d : i tihnk g11 was bad
 Uberdude 3d : look how dumb close to thickness it ended up, h12 seems more like a cool move strong players do
]
;B[rm]BL[369]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: could be risky if w gets strong here and gets t3 in
 Uberdude 3d : exactly
 aitkensam 4d?: pretty hard for that b group to die
]
;W[qm]WL[2223]
;B[rl]BL[366]
;W[rn]WL[2213]
;B[qk]BL[364]C[
 Uberdude 3d : yeah never gonna die, but probably means b can't get lots of sentes around o8 which might let o19 work
]
;W[nn]WL[2151]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: mm, o19 is the type of move you need 3 hours thinking time for :)
 Uberdude 3d : which seems like daniel's sneaky plan for 50 moves later
]
;B[ge]BL[295]
;W[sq]WL[2135]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: here we go
 marek 10k : :D
]
;B[qr]BL[278]
;W[mr]WL[2118]C[
 hogweed 1d : white is the french team captain
]
;B[sr]BL[277]
;W[ss]WL[2115]C[
 Uberdude 3d : wtf is g15
]
;B[qs]BL[237]C[
 Uberdude 3d : try to make some liberty shortage before j14 cut?
]
;W[sp]WL[2103]
;B[nr]BL[236]C[
 Uberdude 3d : b should t4 first to stop half eye?
]
;W[oo]WL[2077]C[
 FrenchDude 3d?: b t4 would have been 100% alive no?
]
;B[pr]BL[197]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: I don't understand the timing of g15
 Uberdude 3d : indeed bruno
 Uberdude 3d : just live
 SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe he just figured it was absolute sente.
 Uberdude 3d : maybe daniel is a bot
 Uberdude 3d : =)
 SimbaRules 2k+: hahaha
]
;W[ig]WL[2006]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Redmond gets so triggered by thatr.
 SimbaRules 2k+: that*
]
;B[gd]BL[178]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: g16 now surely, make w connect on dame
 SimbaRules 2k+: yeah
 SimbaRules 2k+: dunno why white didn't just g16 directly
]
;W[ii]WL[1927]
;B[ng]BL[167]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Black c17 maybe annoying for white's corner?
]
;W[md]WL[1903]C[
 Uberdude 3d : i suppose black still has q6 here which is nice with this way of living
]
;B[bq]BL[149]C[
 Uberdude 3d : or r6 cut
 SimbaRules 2k+: does c17 not work? looks like nice gain in sente before white gets b14 in
]
;W[br]WL[1634]
;B[cr]BL[106]
;W[dp]WL[1624]
;B[do]BL[597]
;W[bp]WL[1620]
;B[bs]BL[596]C[
 Uberdude 3d : yay right atari
 Uberdude 3d : i once did the wrong one in a blitz
]
;W[ar]WL[1597]
;B[aq]BL[595]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: lol
]
;W[cp]WL[1595]
;B[dr]BL[594]
;W[er]WL[1593]
;B[ds]BL[593]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: white ended up achieving very little out of a super, super thick position
]
;W[fm]WL[1519]
;B[fn]BL[592]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: territory op
]
;W[el]WL[1495]
;B[em]BL[590]
;W[gl]WL[1493]
;B[eo]BL[541]
;W[bf]WL[1435]C[
 Uberdude 3d : yeah that was probably daniel's plan from ag zero
]
;B[bg]BL[539]
;W[be]WL[1432]
;B[mk]BL[534]C[
 Uberdude 3d : still i feel w could have done better, but hard to say where
]
;W[oe]WL[1376]
;B[of]BL[475]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: i'm just glad I finally killed a wall from an early 3-3 invasion
 SimbaRules 2k+: still don't really understand why it's meant to be so good...
]
;W[pe]WL[1349]
;B[qe]BL[472]
;W[ml]WL[1290]
;B[lk]BL[459]C[
 Uberdude 3d : it's not good, just not bad
]
;W[mp]WL[1220]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Hahaha. I guess I mean I don't really understand why it's even.
]
;B[ll]BL[440]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: I always get a crap result as the 3-3 side and vow to stop doing it.
 SimbaRules 2k+: it's something new and fun to play around with though
]
;W[bh]WL[1172]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: And when you play bad people they just connect when you peep the wall lol.
 Uberdude 3d : if you recall alphago likes kosumi approach
 Uberdude 3d : inseong did a nice lecture on it
 SimbaRules 2k+: Kosumi approach to what?
 Uberdude 3d : everything
 SimbaRules 2k+: Like, shoulder hitting, you mean?
 Uberdude 3d : shoulder hit, armpit hit
 SimbaRules 2k+: ahhh
 SimbaRules 2k+: yeah
 Uberdude 3d : many places
 aitkensam 4d?: anyone counted?
 SimbaRules 2k+: I thought you meant like shoulder-hitting a 3-4 or something lol
 SimbaRules 2k+: B looks good
 Uberdude 3d : so i think that local shape love might explain it a bit
 SimbaRules 2k+: But it could swing.
]
;B[fc]BL[314]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Hmm, really? That's such a general shape to be playing such a decisive move from.
 SimbaRules 2k+: Though I guess if it's 'about even' and it really likes shoulder/armpit hits.
 SimbaRules 2k+: Then maybe that's enough to swing it.
 Uberdude 3d : yeah, it's just a small part, i tihnk the way walls that don't have eyes can be weak is more important
 SimbaRules 2k+: Still was interesting that Zero thought the same though.
 Uberdude 3d : and how strong it is at invading
 SimbaRules 2k+: And yeah, indeed.
]
;W[cg]WL[1083]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: lol yes
 SimbaRules 2k+: Zero's invading makes me not want to play for the centre anymore.
 SimbaRules 2k+: 'cause moyo = 0 points apparently.
 SimbaRules 2k+: it's kind of impressive in itself, like, even to do that to a 1d
 SimbaRules 2k+: But then you realise it's vs Master, lol.
 SimbaRules 2k+: crazy good
 mumps 3d : Only if you can live like it!
]
;B[qn]BL[246]C[
 Uberdude 3d : http://www.alphago-games.com/view/eventname/agzero_vs_aglee/game/3/move/50
]
;W[qo]WL[1073]
;B[pn]BL[246]
;W[po]WL[1072]
;B[pl]BL[245]C[
 Uberdude 3d : i like this living, so clear and easy
 Uberdude 3d : makes AG Lee look like a noob
 SimbaRules 2k+: lol
 SimbaRules 2k+: this looks like Daniel in the lower left
 Uberdude 3d : and then you go back to the Lee match and remember the crushing power of game 3
 aitkensam 4d?: hehe i remember this living, was one of my fave sequences from all the games
 SimbaRules 2k+: mmm
]
;W[sc]WL[1021]
;B[rd]BL[241]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Subconsciously now AlphaGo Lee is the 'bad one'.
 SimbaRules 2k+: Easy to forget how strong it actually is/was.
 Uberdude 3d : yup
 aitkensam 4d?: did anyone count the win loss records between zero/lee, zero/master?
 SimbaRules 2k+: it'll be interesting to see the pro go scene in about 10 years, when they get players who mostly learnt from bots at the top
 SimbaRules 2k+: I think it won 89% vs Master or something like that?
 FrenchDude 3d?: hm, q15 was pretty bad
 Uberdude 3d : in that game though i wonder should AG Lee have connected for 45
 Uberdude 3d : you lose some side but corner alive and then moyo is thicker
]
;W[fb]WL[905]C[
 Uberdude 3d : in published 20 master won 3
 SimbaRules 2k+: of course he shouldn't have connected
 SimbaRules 2k+: there is a 3-3 invasion just sat there waiting to happen
 SimbaRules 2k+: obviously correct
 SimbaRules 2k+: ;)
 Uberdude 3d : i mean mv 45
 SimbaRules 2k+: yep
 SimbaRules 2k+: I was meaning r17 for 45, haha
 Uberdude 3d : ah =)
]
;B[od]BL[141]
;W[ne]WL[898]
;B[na]BL[138]
;W[oa]WL[894]
;B[ma]BL[135]
;W[kd]WL[891]
;B[jd]BL[134]
;W[kc]WL[882]
;B[jj]BL[106]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: something like m6 is looking big, before white blocks it off
]
;W[hi]WL[870]
;B[ln]BL[94]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: yay, +1
]
;W[gb]WL[858]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: next round is Germany :s
]
;B[hg]BL[548]
;W[if]WL[854]
;B[dg]BL[527]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: I'm ready to steal some 5d's rating points...
]
;W[gc]WL[844]
;B[hb]BL[525]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: ... theoretically
]
;W[ch]WL[833]
;B[dh]BL[522]
;W[np]WL[761]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: so far they fielded 8 6d, 1 5d, 3 4d, so you might not get a 5d :p
]
;B[ns]BL[496]
;W[bi]WL[750]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: 4d would still be nice
 SimbaRules 2k+: not sure how good the guy tonight was, I felt my first two opponents were stronger
]
;B[lo]BL[426]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: your guy said to me that he had to play on a phone
 Uberdude 3d : turkey was weak team apart from denis
 aitkensam 4d?: not sure if that's normal
]
;W[lp]WL[724]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: but could have affected him
 Uberdude 3d : emre is decent
 Uberdude 3d : i was 1-1 vs him
 Uberdude 3d : and fatih is 3d but this time 1-2ds
 SimbaRules 2k+: My opponent was playing on a phone? Ouch.
 afar 2d+: It's also quite late in Turkey
 SimbaRules 2k+: He didn't get into overtime though to be fair.
 SimbaRules 2k+: I guess that explains why he was quite slow sometimes.
]
;B[jh]BL[346]
;W[ih]WL[711]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Is Emre the same person as Denis?
 aitkensam 4d?: no
 SimbaRules 2k+: Who's Emre?
 aitkensam 4d?: a 4-5d who didnt play
 SimbaRules 2k+: ahhh
]
;B[ji]BL[247]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: looks like daniel has it almost wrapped up now
 Uberdude 3d : denis is french (and played for them last year) but turkish dad or something
 Uberdude 3d : so plays for turkey this year
 Uberdude 3d : he was at BIBA
 Uberdude 3d : i lost by hlaf point to him at egc
 Uberdude 3d : after endgmae blunder after no lunch after 6 hours
]
;W[fd]WL[605]
;B[hh]BL[204]C[
 Uberdude 3d : but i think he's got more stronger than me since then
]
;W[pf]WL[526]
;B[pg]BL[203]
;W[nf]WL[522]
;B[og]BL[202]
;W[nk]WL[488]
;B[nj]BL[198]
;W[cl]WL[438]
;B[dm]BL[195]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: I wonder if the EGC will come to the UK anytime soon.
 SimbaRules 2k+: Any idea when it was last here? Must've been before I started playing.
 Uberdude 3d : 92?
 SimbaRules 2k+: Gosh, 25 years.
 kisekigo 2d?: but we organiser Dublin in 2001
 SimbaRules 2k+: Do we not want to host it for some reason? Seems a long time to have not even been offered it.
 Uberdude 3d : do you know about the ing thingy
 SimbaRules 2k+: Ing Cup?
 Uberdude 3d : daniel is organising
]
;W[bm]WL[360]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: hmm, no?
]
;B[bn]BL[193]C[
 mumps 3d : I don�ft think we�fve got sufficient volunteers to run it
]
;W[an]WL[352]C[
 Uberdude 3d : ing student plus super pros from changqi cu
 Uberdude 3d : likely to be in Cam next summer
]
;B[bo]BL[171]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: oh wow
]
;W[ap]WL[347]
;B[as]BL[170]
;W[ao]WL[339]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: uh, e1?
]
;B[lr]BL[158]
;W[kr]WL[336]
;B[ls]BL[157]
;W[mq]WL[335]
;B[ms]BL[155]C[
 Uberdude 3d : ~120 students plus last 4 of chinese pro tourn
]
;W[ks]WL[333]
;B[op]BL[154]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: that's pretty crazy
 afar 2d+: Oh, cool
 Uberdude 3d : i gatecrashed it in bangkok this year
 SimbaRules 2k+: wonder if Ke Jie will come
 Uberdude 3d : he got knocked out earlier this year
 SimbaRules 2k+: ah, damn
 Uberdude 3d : but could do next year
 SimbaRules 2k+: Oh I see, this year's cycle is almost over? I gotcha
 SimbaRules 2k+: Not like qualification for next year
 Uberdude 3d : this year it was chen yaoye, jiang wijie, gu lingyi and tan xiao iirc
 Uberdude 3d : right
 SimbaRules 2k+: Still a pretty nice lineup.
]
;W[km]WL[255]
;B[lm]BL[149]C[
 Uberdude 3d : yeah, but hard to find venues this late, but hopefully we can
 SimbaRules 2k+: roughly when in the year is it?
 SimbaRules 2k+: oh, summer
 Uberdude 3d : July?
 SimbaRules 2k+: hmm, 8 months or so
 SimbaRules 2k+: 120 students, need something bigger than the Trigantius playing room
]
;W[kg]WL[178]
;B[kh]BL[145]C[
 Uberdude 3d : don't think anything official announced yet, hopefully i didn't reveal secrets =)
]
;W[mg]WL[170]
;B[mh]BL[144]
;W[mf]WL[169]
;B[lh]BL[142]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: I guess the Chinese will pay a good amount though.
]
;W[es]WL[160]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Anything for the right price, sure the colleges would do something.
 Uberdude 3d : several rooms in university centre should do it
 Uberdude 3d : colleges are full
]
;B[ko]BL[129]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: mmm
]
;W[kp]WL[157]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: University Centre is nice
 SimbaRules 2k+: Sonoyama was there when I played in it.
]
;B[cj]BL[589]C[
 Uberdude 3d : at least no one college with space for all, so maybe dribs and drabs around the place
]
;W[bj]WL[153]
;B[dc]BL[589]C[
 Uberdude 3d : plus some hotel
]
;W[cc]WL[95]
;B[jo]BL[586]
;W[jp]WL[94]
;B[gq]BL[586]
;W[gr]WL[92]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: d17 pretty stylish
]
;B[ok]BL[555]
;W[nl]WL[81]
;B[gm]BL[546]
;W[sd]WL[79]
;B[se]BL[544]
;W[ej]WL[567]
;B[di]BL[541]
;W[fi]WL[564]
;B[fh]BL[533]
;W[fj]WL[550]C[
 Uberdude 3d : eh g10 better
 Uberdude 3d : oh this sente too
 Uberdude 3d : ok this nice trick
]
;B[gh]BL[485]
;W[kl]WL[529]
;B[ga]BL[437]
;W[fa]WL[522]
;B[ha]BL[434]
;W[kk]WL[518]
;B[kj]BL[432]
;W[sm]WL[501]
;B[sl]BL[430]
;W[sn]WL[500]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: seems close
]
;B[on]BL[355]
;W[mn]WL[462]
;B[mo]BL[353]
;W[no]WL[461]
;B[mm]BL[352]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: nah b++
]
;W[nm]WL[457]
;B[jk]BL[339]
;W[om]WL[449]
;B[pm]BL[338]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: yeah, I think he has it, maybe 4.5 or something.
]
;W[fl]WL[430]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: D15's pretty huge, relatively, at least.
]
;B[fe]BL[329]
;W[db]WL[422]
;B[fc]BL[324]
;W[ja]WL[418]
;B[jb]BL[321]
;W[fd]WL[417]
;B[qa]BL[318]
;W[ra]WL[415]
;B[fc]BL[318]
;W[qg]WL[415]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: 12-0 is quite good start to the season :)
 SimbaRules 2k+: lol yes
]
;B[rf]BL[297]
;W[fd]WL[409]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe we just got a good early draw though.
]
;B[rs]BL[598]
;W[sr]WL[407]
;B[fc]BL[597]
;W[nh]WL[405]C[
 Uberdude 3d : first 2 matches were medium i'd say
 SimbaRules 2k+: I haven't looked much into the other teams compared to one another other than noticing Germany and one other are much better.
]
;B[oh]BL[584]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe Sweden it was?
]
;W[fd]WL[402]C[
 Uberdude 3d : this was easy
 Uberdude 3d : apart from board 1
]
;B[bl]BL[574]
;W[am]WL[397]
;B[fc]BL[573]C[
 Uberdude 3d : harder to come
]
;W[oi]WL[390]
;B[ni]BL[572]
;W[fd]WL[389]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: germany and netherlands seem hardest
 Uberdude 3d : netherlands
 Uberdude 3d : austria decent too
]
;B[de]BL[547]C[
 Uberdude 3d : viktor is a good 6d
]
;W[fc]WL[594]C[
 Uberdude 3d : and lothar 5d
]
;B[cq]BL[545]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Not heard of Lothar but I've heard of Viktor doing well in big tournaments.
]
;W[jl]WL[576]C[
 aitkensam 4d?: lothar hasnt been playing much though
]
;B[jn]BL[544]
;W[jm]WL[573]
;B[kn]BL[543]
;W[hj]WL[571]
;B[jg]BL[542]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: dame lol
]
;W[ij]WL[565]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Almost like it's European. :)
]
;B[la]BL[540]
;W[nb]WL[562]
;B[gj]BL[538]
;W[dj]WL[560]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Are we meant to fill the dame in?
]
;B[hf]BL[536]
;W[oc]WL[558]C[
 SimbaRules 2k+: Can't remember what the rules say on this.
 aitkensam 4d?: none of my games were scored yet :p
 afar 2d+: No, it isn't necessary
 SimbaRules 2k+: b9 almost, lol
]
;B[tt]BL[491]
;W[tt]WL[556]
;B[tt]BL[491]C[
 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ R13
 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ P11
 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ B13
 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ K19
 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ B8
 mathmo done
];

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[Butterfly][CRdQpfhK][FrenchDude][gopard][hm22011]
[hogweed][hwspan][JeffChang][Karmalia][kisekigo]
[marek][Mercian][miao][mumps][mzeroq]
[OysterQuay][rikky][robinn2][Rosewooder][SimbaRules]
[Uberdude][wajin]

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